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 JoeJordan
Male, 18-29, Europe
 177 Posts
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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:30:14 AM
As much as I believe (as a Christian) that God created men and women to be together, I also believe that no one but God has the choice to physically keep anyone in love apart :/. |
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 npdarren
Male, 18-29, Western US
254 Posts
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Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:47:41 PM
Furthermore, banning gay marriage will not ban gay sex, thus the morality argument fails. The point of it all should be that if homosexuality does not directly harm you in any way, there should be no problem. |
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npdarren
Male, 18-29, Western US
254 Posts
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Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:40:03 PM
Being atheist, I have no religious or moral objections to homosexuality, nor do I think there is any proof that homosexuality is unnatural, as some claim. The only question I contemplate about this subject is whether gay people should be allowed to have the legal right to label themselves as "married" under the law. Legally speaking, there is no difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality, therefore there is no reason for them not to be allowed marriage (which, btw, is a legal agreement in the U.S since church and state are constitutionally separate). Determining the morality of certain sexual orientations is moronic in itself anyways, seeing as how there are so many counter-examples found in nature. |
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 loveballet
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
78 Posts
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Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:21:34 AM
so is girl+girl or girl+guy or any1 else for that matter....except michael jackson, don't add him to any combo. lol |
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loveballet
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
78 Posts
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Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:20:13 AM
i personnally think guy+guy is hot. if there's passion it's like "oh yeah!" |
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 skorm_avo
Male, 18-29, Europe
31 Posts
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Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:00:35 PM
Men: Gal+Gal=Tasty Goodness.Gal+Gal=Homosexuality Most males who are hetrosexual will dream about having sex with two women at the same time, even even watch women kiss.
Why is this not immoral and abhorrent to you, whilst male homosexuality is? F'ing hippocrites the lot of you |
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 goodtogo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1 Posts
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Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:00:47 PM
to those of you who think gay marriage is immoral, keep in mind, people used to say that about "interracical" marriage. Another thing to consider that is if you bring religion into the marriage, then you must get rid of marriage as a goverment institute. if we discriminate based on religion, we'd be no better than every cruel dictatorship we hear about in the news. |
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 Narikotsu
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
126 Posts
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Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:28:27 PM
To all of you folks out there who think being gay is a choice: Why do gay kids kill themselves instead of choosing to just not be gay?
You got an answer? I'd love to read it. |
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 hootie16
Female, 13-17, Western US
4 Posts
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Saturday, June 06, 2009 5:29:26 PM
guy+guy= nasty |
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skorm_avo
Male, 18-29, Europe
31 Posts
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Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:10:59 PM
As homosexuality has been compared to/in nature (either for or against) so should morality.Morality is exclusivly a HUMAN VALUE. The wolf will kill a bear/human/predator/prey either for food, or if they think that they or their pack is being attacked, there is no quibbling if it is ethically right or wrong. Certain types of birds will prey on other birds, or on their young, or even on their unhatched eggs, and only humans think this is evil. A animal mother will protect her children instinctivly, not because that the predator is evil. It is a biological imperative. Some creatures will eat their young. Male animals will battle each other for dominance, sometimes with one of the combatants being killed. Natual disasters will kill the old/young sick/healthy murders/cops genius/idiot rich/poor famous/unknown religious-followers/atheists Morality is a human invention and is indeed not natural. It is so we can live with our actions |
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skorm_avo
Male, 18-29, Europe
31 Posts
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Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:53:00 PM
Morality has two main flavours.First: The biggest is a group mentality of morality (So like a religion will decide of how their followers should live their lives or a Civilisation will decide how their people should spend their lives based on tradition, philosophy, religion and geographic location). Second: The most important... Personal Morality, the knowledge of what the individual considers good and evil, right and wrong, truths and lies. Personal Morality is also based on his/her Civilisational values, as well as the vlaues of their parents, what they have read/stories they were told/things they watch on the tv and a multitude of different influences in their lives, as well as life itself |
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 oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
362 Posts
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Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:13:40 PM
morality i believe is how one ought to live one's life, and to do that action which yields the greatest intrinsically good result. |
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oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
362 Posts
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Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:08:32 PM
you would have to explain what morality is to be able to make that assumption, also you base yourself on opinion where i base myself on empirical and philosophical arguments. have a nice day though :) |
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skorm_avo
Male, 18-29, Europe
31 Posts
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Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:33:51 AM
Each civilisation through the ages had their own way of marriage. The egyptians, greeks, romans, christians, muslims, hindu's, amazon's etc. has been based on the social mors of their times, including or excluding any religous practices.Human being have survived to become the dominant species because we can adapt with the times (this includes religion(New Testament, King Jame's Bible)). Just as social laws, religious laws and government laws were reformed to stop debasement and constrictions of black people, so will these laws be reformed to represent in truth, the rights held for everyone, including the gay, lesbian, transgender and miscellaneous communities. These laws which uphold your ideas of morality [Oceanbeast] are being seen as to be immoral to be held in the first place. Oceanbeast, your views of immorality are now in and of themselves, immoral. 
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oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
362 Posts
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Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:03:17 PM
i wana clear some stuff up, i do not dislike gay people in any way, i do not agree with homosexuality because it is immoral behavior. i don't want people who love each other to be held apart but i do wish the institution of marriage to be respected as it has stood. marriage does have certain religious connotations whether you agree or not, it does. i do not agree with the statement that "anyone should marry anyone they want to" because that would allow for polygamy, pedophilia, bestiality, and things i can't even imagine. i strongly feel the nuclear family should be protected as it is what western civilization is founded upon. its highly imperative for children to have a male father and female mother. psychologically children learn gender roles, read about Oedipus/Electra complex. are you going to say we shouldn't have gender roles? |
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 theBARman12
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2 Posts
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Sunday, May 31, 2009 6:30:59 AM
"Just because that's how one dictionary puts it does not mean gay marriage is impossible. Another definition is "The legal union between two persons, usually entailing legal obligations of each person to the other." This definition coming from an American dictionary, not Oxford. The English language is flexible anyways, and definitions not set in stone, therefore making your argument irrelevant."Ok if the English language is so flexible, does that mean I can go out and marry a goldfish so long as I feel love for it? Or should I marry my China Doll collection? |
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npdarren
Male, 18-29, Western US
254 Posts
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Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:33:46 AM
"gay marriage cannot exist because the definition of marriage is "the formal union of a man and a woman". so with that logic in mind gay marrige is impossible."Just because that's how one dictionary puts it does not mean gay marriage is impossible. Another definition is "The legal union between two persons, usually entailing legal obligations of each person to the other." This definition coming from an American dictionary, not Oxford. The English language is flexible anyways, and definitions not set in stone, therefore making your argument irrelevant. |
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theBARman12
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2 Posts
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Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:36:42 PM
gay marriage cannot exist because the definition of marriage is "the formal union of a man and a woman". so with that logic in mind gay marrige is impossible. http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/mar...
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oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
362 Posts
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Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:08:38 PM
a perceived observation. animals who engage in these displays are either asserting dominance or keeping some facet of their society in check. for example some chimps i believe bonobos will engage in lesbian couples touching one another because it promotes strengthening of female relationships in a society where male chimps beat females pretty badly. |
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oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
362 Posts
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Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:06:52 PM
"No, society is crumbling because people cannot learn to love each other and tolerate views that oppose their own. Homosexuality represents the exact opposite of this."promiscous behavior among other things is a very real problem to our society. and i think you know i also oppose abortions because abortions are intrinsically evil. straight couples have anal sex but im sure less frequently than homosexual men, also recurrent anal penetration does raise your chances for rectal cancers. "There are even ANIMALS that mate with the same sex" animals are also cannibals and commit infanticide, should those be allowed in human behavior as well? you can't pick and choose what you like. animal behavior is derived from instinct,they are irrational. an animals irrational instincts should not be the measure against what human morality is.
by the way if you read many studies homosexual behavior in animals is
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npdarren
Male, 18-29, Western US
254 Posts
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Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:27:27 PM
"you all can't see that society is crumbling and it has to do alot with promiscuous behavior."No, society is crumbling because people cannot learn to love each other and tolerate views that oppose their own. Homosexuality represents the exact opposite of this. |
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npdarren
Male, 18-29, Western US
254 Posts
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Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:20:30 PM
The only thing wrong with homosexuals is that they upset the status quo and introduce new ideals that many people are not willing to tolerate. You can argue that anal sex is unnatural, but straight couples have anal sex too and more and more married couples today are not having children, getting abortions, etc. As for raising children, you cannot assume that a child raised by two men will grow up confused. I grew up essentially without anyone and I would much rather have two gay men or women as parents. I think a child raised in an ignorant, intolerant household has more of a disadvantage in life than one raised by loving parents, regardless of sex or sexual orientation. The real problem with American society is the divorce rate and children growing up in a divided household and being torn between two parents. IMO, homosexuals improve American society and culture. |
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AuntBinxy
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1 Posts
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Saturday, May 30, 2009 3:35:37 PM
I for one think a lot of the people who want to "ban" same sex marriage think that it will make people stop being homosexual. I myself am a single mother of two girls, I'm straight, but if one of them prefers females to males I am not going to treat them any different. There is nothing wrong with it in my eyes. Everyone is different. A lot of homosexuals knew they preferred the same sex before they were out of grade-school, I know a few of my friends did. In some cases, they were born the way they are, in others they were abused or treated so badly by the opposite sex that they no longer trust them.
Just because a person is in love with someone that is the same sex as them, that doesn't make them inhuman. There are even ANIMALS that mate with the same sex, it's not just humans. It's something that is found in nature, so exactly what makes it unnatural? I understand if it's not your thing, YOU aren't going to be married to a homosexual, so let them get married in peace! |
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 Rauron
Male, 13-17, Southern US
510 Posts
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Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:38:19 AM
Right, so, I'm for gay rights (silly term though that is), but I don't think the courts were wrong here. They weren't ruling over whether Prop 8 in its entirety should be kept; the only issue had to do with the actual word "marriage."
Soon, Californians will return to the polls, and, most likely, the whole thing will swing back towards gay rights and blah blah drama. Can't we just get the government out of marriage entirely? That makes a whole lot more sense..Also, oceanbeast, it does indeed take balls to stand up for what you believe in when it's not popular. You have every right to express your opinion, and I hope you ignore those who bash you just for thinking differently :3. This coming from a gay furry who, obviously, completely disagrees with you. |
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oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
362 Posts
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Friday, May 29, 2009 10:18:02 PM
please i would love to have a discussion with somone who will use empirical and philosophical arguments to defend the gay point of view while i will do the same against it. arent we still in America? can't we discuss without trying to belittle me with insults? |
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