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 stumpydave
Male, 30-39, Europe
 36 Posts
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Friday, November 13, 2009 2:11:47 AM
OK...1. It is The Sun. The Sun is incapable of reporting proper news accurately and appeals to societies lowest common denominator with rubbish about celebs and other non-entities filling it's pages of c**p.
2. He is a smoker (as am I). Operations were therefore cancelled on health grounds over which he personally can have control. Quit the fags get the op is my guess.
3. Had this happened in the states, he would still be facing a huge bill for his original visit to A&E, as well as the prospect for finding money to get it corrected. At least under our NHS he has not been required to pay a penny, and nor will he have to for any of his medical care. |
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 odc
Female, 18-29, Western US
77 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:17:11 PM
So he had it in plaster and he took it off early? It's his own damn fault! How can this person blame other people for that? |
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 Vindictive
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
264 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:16:14 PM
@LADT25
we do. our government doesn't. |
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 LADT25
Female, 18-29, Europe
17 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:48:53 PM
One thing I have never understood about Americans who oppose a national health service...People call it 'socialised' medicine because it's available to everyone, funded by government etc... But surely education is already under this system? And also the police...and fire service? In other countries such as here in the UK we see health care as a basic human right such as education. I have never understood why Americans don't see it that way. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
1443 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:58:53 PM
"umm... i'm not an expert, but it says that they put it in a cast. don't they usually set a bone before they cast it? did he like rip the cast off and mess his arm up himself just for news?"He took the cast off himself. I have no idea why. I think the sequence of events is as follows: He falls and breaks his arm. He's taken to hospital, where he is treated straight away. X-rays, setting, cast, the usual. He's told to return after a set time for the healing of the injury to be assessed. On the assessment, it's found that the break is not healing properly (this may have been his fault too) and it should be pinned. He is advised to get into better shape, because he's not fit to be operated on. He takes the cast off (obviously he shouldn't have done). In pre-op testing, he is found to be too unfit to be operated on. So it's delayed. The last step is repeated. It's his choice to be too unfit to be operated on - he smokes a lot. His blood pressure is too |
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 gunslinger
Male, 30-39, Western US
209 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:47:42 PM
you want your surgery? Quit smoking dummy. |
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 benbowles
Male, 13-17, Europe
8 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:56:43 PM
definately agree with all of the first page's comments. Its the f'ing sun. And yes, it's stories like this that try and make the NHS look like a failure. Wrong. Absolutely incorrect. the NHS is awesome. |
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 britt566
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
1468 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:23:30 AM
the sun...... the suN... the sUN... the SUN... thE SUN... tHE SUN ... THE SUN. Thank you. |
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 frogpond
Female, 13-17, Europe
34 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:43:58 AM
umm... i'm not an expert, but it says that they put it in a cast. don't they usually set a bone before they cast it? did he like rip the cast off and mess his arm up himself just for news? |
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Kougaiji
Male, 18-29, Southern US
232 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:26:14 AM
Think of it this way:At least he lives in a country where his situation is considered "news" |
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stumpydave
Male, 30-39, Europe
36 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:05:13 AM
OK...1. It is The Sun. The Sun is incapable of reporting proper news accurately and appeals to societies lowest common denominator with rubbish about celebs and other non-entities filling it's pages of c**p.
2. He is a smoker (as am I). Operations were therefore cancelled on health grounds over which he personally can have control. Quit the fags get the op is my guess.
3. Had this happened in the states, he would still be facing a huge bill for his original visit to A&E, as well as the prospect for finding money to get it corrected. At least under our NHS he has not been required to pay a penny, and nor will he have to for any of his medical care. |
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 bankvole
Male, 30-39, Europe
550 Posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:56:59 AM
ok so he's waiting for the surgery, but there is no way he went into a hospital with a broken arm, and he left with it still in that shape. He's messed it up himself and now he's looking for someone else to blame. |
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cellopaddy
Male, 30-39, Southern US
38 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 10:57:04 PM
I could go to the drudge report for this nonsense. |
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benton76
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
3 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 10:32:11 PM
Ummm. The Sun is akin to our National Enquirer. Timing seems just about right for our healthcare debates. |
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 Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
2594 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 10:26:38 PM
Opie:
I'm not sure why you're asking me specifically, but generally speaking no. One argument that has some weight to it is that because most people will go public, private will need to charge more to cover their costs, etc. However: This assumes many many people go public, which in turn assumes it works, which in turn suggests it's overall a good thing. America already pays more for its private healthcare than comparable countries, it pays more for medicines, it pays more for everything TODAY. If Obama succeeds in creating an affordable alternative, there is no real reason private will be able to survive on the current ridiculous rates, let alone higher ones. Having said that, the healthcare legislation is 3000 pages long, so it is plausible(probable) some factors will raise rather than lower prices, overall the trend should be down, not up. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
1443 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 9:45:07 PM
"Okay... I don't care about the freaking healthcare debate... just someone please bring this man to the hospital. It's the ONLY thing that matters here."He was treated straight away. People in the USA are being fed utter bull about the health system in the UK, purely for USA domestic political reasons. I broke my *little toe* and I was seen at a hospital by a doctor 15 minutes after I got there. He has *chosen* to ignore medical advice, worsen his injury and make himself unsuitable for surgery. He has been choosing that for 10 months. They offered him an operation when it became clear that the break was not healing correctly (which might well have been his fault as well, given his behaviour). That was back in February. This is not a failure of the NHS. It's a failure of the patient. Any private healthcare system with qualified doctors would do the same thing.
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 opiebreath
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
14268 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09:51 PM
Eye, did you even read the article? They gave the guy a cast but he (apparently) took it off before the time was up. |
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 ada_baby
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
251 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 8:40:37 PM
i dont believe this for nothing, noone would have sat through that pain, nor have no common sense to strighten the bone so you dont end up looking like a twist toy |
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 Eyedea
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
18 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 7:57:44 PM
that is a complete fracture of the humerus, so an hour or two after the break occured, complete muscular tetanus would have set in, causing his upper arm to compress. so ten months from that point in time, he wouldnt have an arm from constant hemorrhaging of the humerus and surrounding parts, and not to mention every time he moved his arm the sharp ends of bone would move around, causing even more muscular irritation then previously set in. did any one think of that before they got started up on the healthcare? |
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 ElSombrero
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
137 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 6:48:23 PM
Okay... I don't care about the freaking healthcare debate... just someone please bring this man to the hospital. It's the ONLY thing that matters here. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
1443 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 6:40:00 PM
""The Sun" is like the UK's version of Weekly World News, right?"Not quite, no. The Sport is like the UK's version of Weekly World News, but with a lot more porn. The Sun is much worse, because it pretends to be a newspaper and it has influence. "The article says they set his arm in plaster. Then how could they have possibly set it at such an awkward angle? They didn't." Right, they didn't. They set it straight, he took the plaster off. He's also delaying the op needed to fix it. Anyone using this to promote private healthcare is an ignorant fool or a liar. He wouldn't be treated under private healthcare either, even if he could afford it. |
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 zoneking
Male, 30-39, Canada
81 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 6:32:13 PM
We have national healthcare here in Canada, and it is among the best in the world, END OF STORY.The problem with the US is that the government is trying to institute it when the government is essentially BROKE. |
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 esopillar34
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
376 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 6:25:39 PM
On one hand, "lol british healthcare".On the other- it's the Sun. It means absolutely nothing. |
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 bry27
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
16 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 5:42:50 PM
hey Toochified, The Sun is from the UK (like the Enquirer), get your facts straight before you start your bitchin' |
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 LandoGriffin
Male, 30-39, Western US
2090 Posts
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Monday, October 19, 2009 5:39:44 PM
"The Sun" is like the UK's version of Weekly World News, right? Obvious shop. The article says they set his arm in plaster. Then how could they have possibly set it at such an awkward angle? They didn't. I call shenanigans on this one. |
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